tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5210332264994734242.post1411643300902405982..comments2023-05-22T05:34:20.133-07:00Comments on Anwar Bilal's Blog: Muslims, Mata Amrithanandamayi & Gail Tredwell's Holy HellCaptainDisguisehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00426652177631313145noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5210332264994734242.post-43350226884234927532014-03-21T12:56:38.408-07:002014-03-21T12:56:38.408-07:00*Go here and you will find plenty of ex-converts ...*Go here and you will find plenty of ex-converts and their posts http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/ http://www.reddit.com/r/exmuslim/CaptainDisguisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00426652177631313145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5210332264994734242.post-10240266722581656402014-03-21T12:54:14.736-07:002014-03-21T12:54:14.736-07:00Assuming you are the same person as Khalid
1.) Yo...Assuming you are the same person as Khalid<br /><br />1.) You said, <i>"The fact that the Qur'an is the basis of the complex Arabic grammar is just mind blowing!. How can an illiterate person produce a book that is highly sophisticated in literary sense?".</i> That just means you are gullible if such historically contingent factors "blow" your mind. Arabic was not standardized at the time of Muhammad so various dialects existed and none could be said to be the "correct" one since there was no standardization. Due to the importance of the Qur'an for Muslims, later Arabic Grammarians based the standardization of grammar based on mostly the Qur'an or whatever was in the Qur'an. This is an entirely circular process and rational minds can see it. But i guess such innocuous stuff are enough to "blow" your credulous mind. <br /><br />2.) That is a great ideal. Now if you could come back to reality, it is a very common thing to describe what geographical location one's Muslim community is from. (Are you for real with such a question?)<br /><br />3.) I believe I have provided evidences where necessary in my writings. You can check my references on my other posts.<br /><br />4.) Like I said, I am speaking from my own experience and when you talk to someone and they appear ignorant of any deeper knowledge and only know the surface dawahganda spouted by the likes of Naik, it is a fair conclusion that they are clueless.<br /><br />5.) Clearly that is what I was saying. Transliterating, as far as I know, does not have any particular standard. (Jeez just how petty are you).<br /><br />I regulate comments because I started to get spam or Muslim apologists started to copy/paste entire webpages or others started to troll. <br /><br />Your comment was petty, rude and lacks substance and if this is just gonna go in circles, I don't have any interest in continuing. Grow up a bit first and learn how to discuss like adults rather than children on the playground ...CaptainDisguisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00426652177631313145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5210332264994734242.post-16604138903466177832014-03-21T12:18:21.331-07:002014-03-21T12:18:21.331-07:00Funny really...
1. The fact that prophet Muhammad...Funny really...<br /><br />1. The fact that prophet Muhammad ( peace be upon him ) was<br /> illiterate is vital to our discussion. Yes the sahabahs wrote down what the prophet dictated but what is vital here is the message/the book itself not how it was transmitted. Duh? The fact that the Qur'an is the basis of the complex Arabic grammar is just mind blowing! How can an illiterate person produce a book that is highly sophisticated in literary sense? <br /><br />2. Being a Muslim is not having an ETHNIC AND CULTURE affiliation. Islam is a religion and not a geographical location which you can associate ethnicity and culture. Duh? Are you for real?<br /><br />3. You can criticize Islam but do it honestly and with proof and evidence.<br /><br />4. You say many converts are clueless? How did you know? Did you test their knowledge? When and how and what method did you use? And you said many of them leave Islam...10? 100? 1000? How many? Where is your proof? Duh? Speaking and claiming out of thin air without solid proof? <br /><br />5. The word is ma'a assalaamah...what is ma'salama? LOL ...MA' in Arabic is water and MA'A is with...salama? You mean salami the food? Its salamah, the feminine word for salam...and it is salaamah because the letter or hurof is alif not ayn so its long...the mere fact that you cannot even write the proper phrase that is so basic in Islam makes me wonder if what knowledge of Islam and Qur'an you are trying ti insist you know better than me? My Arabic Qur'an, you know bettser than me? Are you serious?<br /><br />I am in doubt if you will post this reply...why not make the comment open and no need for your approval...are you scared or something?<br /><br /><br />Ma'a assalaamah...<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09958347138642473023noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5210332264994734242.post-21556713275448024632014-03-21T09:24:31.658-07:002014-03-21T09:24:31.658-07:00*that WAS my religious background*that WAS my religious backgroundCaptainDisguisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00426652177631313145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5210332264994734242.post-4949358680788918162014-03-21T09:21:16.264-07:002014-03-21T09:21:16.264-07:001) I ask again how illiteracy is relevant? (Assumi...1) I ask again how illiteracy is relevant? (Assuming Islamic narrative is accurate) Muhammad spoke, was memorized or written down by scribes, and later compiled into a mushaf. Illiteracy has no relevance here. Again, the vast majority of people of antiquity were illiterate and their works were recorded through oral transmission. (See vid - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLFl8pi-W4k)<br /><br />2) Anyone could say that one read but didn't comprehend. I prefer to soar over such childish and fallacious escapist copouts<br /><br />3) Yes, as in I ethnically/culturally come from the Muslim community of Kerala. But I have left the religion of Islam. Get the difference?<br /><br />4) That is your opinion. In fact, it seems to me that you are the insincere one who refuse to engage rationally and coherently (that was pretty evident from your juvenile tone in the first comment)<br /><br />5) Again, just your opinion and has no basis in reality.<br /><br />6) I am criticizing Islam because that is my religious background and what I know most about; much the same way how apostates from other religions criticize the faiths they left. I never said this makes anyone more "intelligent or rational"; intelligence and rationality is wholly independent of whatever task you do. It is acquired on its own.<br /><br />Ma' SalamaCaptainDisguisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00426652177631313145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5210332264994734242.post-44800002224584023772014-03-21T08:26:43.595-07:002014-03-21T08:26:43.595-07:00Thanks for posting my reply...
Did I ever say ill...Thanks for posting my reply...<br /><br />Did I ever say illiteracy means being retarded? The fact that the man cannot read and write and yet he was able to produce a book, is already something to reflect upon. <br /><br />If you have read the Qur'an many times as you say, and is claiming to know better than me, the surely you just read but did not understand. There is a big difference between reading and comprehending what you read. <br /><br />And now you are saying you are an ex Muslim yet you wrote you COME from Kerala's minority Muslim population...how about that? <br /><br />Anyway I replied to your ranting about Muslims' inability to "think" believing you were sincere, but reading your reply made me realize that you are not interested in any dialogue at all but rather you are so engross in bashing Islam and Muslims and proving them wrong.<br /><br />Good luck to that. Thousands have done that and yet Islam is still spreading, growing and being embraced by millions of people in the West and in the East. You are just wasting your time. Instead of attacking Islam and Muslims, would it be better when you help the poor in your neighborhood instead? <br /><br />Not because attacking Islam is the fad this days, you would do the same. And honestly it does not make you in anyway more intelligent or rational. Pretty obvious...<br /><br />Peace be unto you!khalidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00902118773232057289noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5210332264994734242.post-33866380973322884662014-03-14T10:37:10.696-07:002014-03-14T10:37:10.696-07:00Hello Khalid,
I am not a Muslim. I am an ex-Musli...Hello Khalid,<br /><br />I am not a Muslim. I am an ex-Muslim. I have read the Qur'an multiple times and I can bet I know it better than you.<br /><br />1. Illiteracy does not mean he was retarded. Much of works of the ancient world were the works of illiterate which survived through oral communication. Claims of "supernatural literary genre" and such are only part of Islamic dogma and have no basis in reality.<br /><br />2. That is the very definition of "ad-hoc" rationalization.<br /><br />3. ? What?<br /><br />4. I actually live in America and from my own experience, many of the western converts are clueless and amny even end up leaving after learning some more. Not saying everyone is...<br /><br />5. Apostacy law has consensus in Sunni fiqh. Go read about it;<br /><br />6. Now use it see how circular your reasoning is.<br /><br />7, "...but in unclean state". That was the point I was making. <br /><br />Again, didn't claim to be a muslim, Have read the Qur'an multiple times. I left Islam after studying it. CaptainDisguisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00426652177631313145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5210332264994734242.post-29511155168028771242014-03-14T09:58:21.081-07:002014-03-14T09:58:21.081-07:00You are not a Muslim because it is pretty obvious ...You are not a Muslim because it is pretty obvious you do not know Islam and have not read the Qur'an with broad and critical mind.<br /><br />1. When the Qur'an says it is from Allah, it also provides evidence to ponder upon. Like how can prophet Muhammad be the author of the Qur'an when he was not even learned? How can a person who cannot read nor write produce a book that is way beyond in literary excellence of his time? Perhaps you need to read the Qur'an and actually study it not just listen to random maulana who spew hatred and ignorance...<br /><br />2. Muslims do not rationalize ANYTHING to protect Islam...Islam needs no protection because it is so rational. There is no mystery in Islamic teachings. What you call rationalizing is actually LOGICAL EXPLANATION to elucidate some points to islamophobes and ignorant people like you. If you just care to read more about the writings of Muslim scholars in the past centuries, you will find them not RATIONALIZING but rather LOGICALLY explaining things and events to make them accessible to close-minded people.<br /><br />3. History is written by the winners not by the losers. If you believe history as the one and only truth then it is you who is misguided not the historians. Duh? <br /><br />4. There are no clueless white converts to Islam. Most converts are educated and studied islam for years before making decision to convert. You might not know this because you are living in Kerala...duh?<br /><br />5. In Islam there is not killing of apostates. If some Muslims do, then do not blame the religion. Common sense.<br /><br />6. Muslims are urged by Allah to use their brain. In fact IJTIHAD is a science of using logic and common sense to understand Islamic principles. You dont know this???? Duh? So basic!<br /><br />7. Having menstruation does not make a woman unclean but in unclean state as you say. Even a man who has a gushing blood coming out of his body cannot perform the things you just mentioned. Duh?<br /><br />I just find your argument so hilarious. And yet you claim to be a Muslim??? Duh? Have you even read the Qur'an???<br /><br />Study Islam first and then criticize it. How can you criticize something you do not have any iota of idea???<br /><br />Common sense anyone????khalidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00902118773232057289noreply@blogger.com